Date: Sun, 22 May 94 20:07:27 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #558 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sun, 22 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 558 Today's Topics: "for ID" (3 msgs) Ham Radio few problems! (3 msgs) HTX-202 problem IPS Daily Report - 22 May 94 Test Date? When in Western Penn. Units of Measure (Was: Re: sacred frequencies) VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 20 May WANTED: Address to get info from tapr.org WANTED: E-mail address for info from amsat.org (2 msgs) Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 May 1994 18:50:13 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!sjking@network.ucsd.edu Subject: "for ID" To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Derek Wills (oo7@astro.as.utexas.edu) wrote: : Anyway, I hear this "for ID" thing at the start and end of monologues : on HF phone sometimes, which doesn't seem appropriate. Is that what it means? On repeaters in California and Florida I keep hearing people identify themselves as, for example, KC6WCH/4ID. I kept wondering what that meant. For fun -- but only once in a while so I don't become TOO annoying -- I will rebell against the "for I.D." and say "for the FCC". hihi ..er.. **** ** **** ** ..er.. haha -- Steven J. King KC6WCH/4 EL89tq SFCC: Stevenson.J.King@santafe.cc.fl.us Free-Net: SJKing@freenet.fsu.edu Packet: KC6WCH @ K4DPZ.#GNVFL.FL.USA.NA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 00:21:13 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.media.mit.edu!news.media.mit.edu.!sro@network.ucsd.edu Subject: "for ID" To: info-hams@ucsd.edu >>if you're in a *large* roundtable, and 10 minutes has passed since >>your last ID, you might insert your callsign "for ID" at a pause. >>That tells everyone that you're not asking to break rotation, just >>stay legal. > >Are you saying that even if you haven't transmitted a thing for >10 minutes, you still have to identify? Gary's pointing out one context in which it could make sense to say "for ID," but he's not saying that you have to break in to say your call. If you're in a big roundtable, or a net, it makes sense to say your call at the end of each transmission so that you don't have to worry about what happens in 10 minutes. If, say, the power goes off, or if you have a heart attack, you can concentrate on your other problems and not worry about a pink slip. --Shawn, K3HI, for ID. ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 20:13:02 -0400 From: newstf01.cr1.aol.com!search01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail@uunet.uu.net Subject: "for ID" To: info-hams@ucsd.edu >> Are you saying that even if you haven't transmitted a thing for 10 minutes, you still have to identify? << You must identify on your last transmission. If you gave your callsign on your last transmission you're ok. If you didn't, then you're still in the QSO, and you must identify every ten minutes. Jose KD1SB ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 18:55:22 GMT From: yar.cs.wisc.edu!jhanson@rsch.wisc.edu Subject: Ham Radio few problems! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Michael P. Deignan wrote: >A few weeks ago, a new no-code tech came on to the largest 2 meter >repeater in the state, and started talking about how much he loved ham >radio, and now he has his 2 meter radio next to his CB in the truck. He >asked if anyone on the channel wanted a smokey report. While perhaps his nomenclature and speech was poor (akin to CB), is this anything truly wrong with letting fellow hams know of an impending radar trap? I have done this (though usually on the Interstate in a QSO with someone I knew was behind me) and don't see a thing wrong with it. Could this be another one of the (MANY) things Mikey doesn't like? -- Jason J. Hanson | 22 Langdon Street #220 | (608) 256-1004 Univ. of Wisconsin | Madison, WI 53703-1344 | Ham: N9LEA (Extra) -- jhanson@yar.cs.wisc.edu =*++*= n9lea@wd9esu.#scwi.wi.usa.noam -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 00:11:05 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!rogjd@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Ham Radio few problems! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Bruce Lifter (bal@ccd.harris.com) wrote: : Stating that your problems have been with CBers coming into the hobby is : taking the easy way out. At one time, I would guess that 50% of the adult : population in the United States owned a CB (my guess only). I think the : real problem is that we are overloading the front end. The VHF repeaters : are becoming congested. Have you ever been on a major highway when it has : become congested? It brings out the worst in people. : 73, Bruce KR4AQ : -- : Bruce Lifter : Harris Corporation MS: R5-202 : Controls Division email: blifter@ccd.harris.com : -.. . -.- .-. ....- .- --.- de KR4AQ Let's plese get it straight. Amateur radio here in Southern Cal has nothing to do with CBers getting on the bands. Not sure what it is like where you are. 73 -- rogjd@netcom.com Glendale, CA AB6WR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 00:08:57 GMT From: netcomsv!netcom.com!rogjd@decwrl.dec.com Subject: Ham Radio few problems! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Michael P. Deignan (md@maxcy2.maxcy.brown.edu) wrote: : rogjd@netcom.com (Roger Buffington) : > I have been a radio amateur since I was a teenager, back in '66, and in : > my opinion amateur radio has never been healthier. The no-code license : > has proven to be a fabulous vehicle for bringing new people into the : > hobby. : I'm glad that amateur radio in your area is healthy. In this area its : in poor health, slowly approaching what amateur radio has become in : southern california. Most of the problems have been with CBers coming : into the hobby and bringing their bad habits with them. 90% of the : callsigns I hear on local 2 meter repeaters are N1xxx no-code calls. : The elmers have fled to the safety of private repeaters or other bands. Here in Southern Cal, amateur radio is in great shape. We have very few lids on 2 meters, and we don't have a lot of cb-type operating. Don't know what it's like where you are, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't defame us southern Cal types. Courtesy and friendliness is what characterizes amateur radio here. Sorry to hear that things aren't as good where you are as they are here in Southern Cal. 73 -- rogjd@netcom.com Glendale, CA AB6WR ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 18:37:45 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!mailer.acns.fsu.edu!freenet3.scri.fsu.edu!freenet2.scri.fsu.edu!sjking@network.ucsd.edu Subject: HTX-202 problem To: info-hams@ucsd.edu James Proctor (proctor@news-reader.nist.gov) wrote: : I have a problem with my RS HTX-202 which I think is related to the : power save feature. I set the time-slice for the power saver to 1/4 sec : and turned on "SAVE". Since then, quite often, the receiver will turn on : right in the middle of an ongoing qso. This happens even while listening : to a local repeater which is S9+30 and the squelch is set just above the : background noise (even an S1 signal will open the squelch). This has also : happened while I was operating simplex. It appears that the receiver does : not always "wake up" when a signal is present. Since I read your message, I tried it out myself. I think I may have the only one that does not have your problem. I tested it by having two radios tuned to the local repeater. The 202 and another w/o power save. I first tried the 1:2 setting. I noticed the very brief delay between the non-power saved HT and the power saved 202. I then tried the 1:4 setting. I noted the 1/4 second delay but not the several seconds' delay you describe. I'll do more testing and see if it happens to me on which power save setting. -- Steven J. King KC6WCH/4 EL89tq SFCC: Stevenson.J.King@santafe.cc.fl.us Free-Net: SJKing@freenet.fsu.edu Packet: KC6WCH @ K4DPZ.#GNVFL.FL.USA.NA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 23:14:20 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!ipso!rwc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: IPS Daily Report - 22 May 94 To: info-hams@ucsd.edu SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT ISSUED AT 22/2330Z MAY 1994 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES FROM THE REGIONAL WARNING CENTRE (RWC), SYDNEY. SUMMARY FOR 22 MAY AND FORECAST UP TO 25 MAY IPS Warning 14 was issued on 21 May and is current for interval May 24-25. ----------------------------------------------------------- 1A. SOLAR SUMMARY Activity: very low Flares: none. Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 085/027 1B. SOLAR FORECAST 23 May 24 May 25 May Activity Very low Very low Very low Fadeouts None expected None expected None expected Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 084/026 1C. SOLAR COMMENT None. ----------------------------------------------------------- 2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: quiet Estimated Indices : A K Observed A Index 21 May Learmonth 07 2222 2222 Fredericksburg 05 05 Planetary 10 07 Observed Kp for 21 May: 2212 2222 2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST DATE Ap CONDITIONS 23 May 10 Quiet to unsettled. 24 May 18 Active. 25 May 18 Active. 2C. MAGNETIC COMMENT A coronal hole is expected to raise geomagnetic activity to active levels during 24-25th. 3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY LATITUDE BAND DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH 22 May normal fair fair PCA Event : None. 3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST LATITUDE BAND DATE LOW MIDDLE HIGH 23 May normal normal fair 24 May normal fair poor 25 May normal fair poor 3C. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION COMMENT Degraded HF comms expected at mid and high lats May 24-25. ----------------------------------------------------------- 4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY MUFs at Sydney were slightly above predicted monthly values Observed T index for 22 May: 39 Predicted Monthly T Index for May is 30. 4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST DATE T-index MUFs 23 May 40 Near predicted monthly values. 24 May 30 Near predicted monthly values. 25 May 30 Near predicted monthly values. 4C. AUSTRALIAN REGION COMMENT Strong spread F observed during local night, and is again expected during local night tonight. Degraded comms conditions are expected during the interval May 24-25 due to expected coronal hole sourced activity. -- IPS Regional Warning Centre, Sydney |IPS Radio and Space Services email: rwc@ips.oz.au fax: +61 2 4148331 |PO Box 5606 RWC Duty Forecaster tel: +61 2 4148329 |West Chatswood NSW 2057 Recorded Message tel: +61 2 4148330 |AUSTRALIA ------------------------------ Date: 23 May 1994 00:55:16 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!insosf1.infonet.net!picard!bhackney@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Test Date? When in Western Penn. To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Does anyone have a list of test dates in western pennsylvania? Thanx -BH ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 19:55:44 GMT From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!usenet.elf.com!rpi!psinntp!newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu!vassili@yale.arpa Subject: Units of Measure (Was: Re: sacred frequencies) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu William=E.=Newkirk%Pubs%GenAv.Mlb@ns14.cca.CR.rockwell.COM wrote: : When did the electronics pros and academia have the battle over "Hertz" vs : "Cycles per second"? the late 1960s? (that seems right - i don't have : access to the IEEE publications of that era right now and it seems like it : settled out around that time [Siemens for "mho" also has occured as well..]) Well - you might become a little annoyed by this Hz vs. Cycles matter... IMHO meters vs. feet topic is much more interesting. I believe deep in my heart that feet/yard/miles (as well as seconds/minutes/hours) is a complete braindamage and should be reformed. Anyway - it's very annoying to answer questions like in the HAM exams - how many feet is 28.5Mhz etc. I know that wavelength in meters is 300/MHz - and that's enough... Well - wiht the advance of comuputers humanitiy will probably never get rid of some junky stuff... :-( Vassili, N2WID. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 94 02:11:25 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!n8emr!bulletin@network.ucsd.edu Subject: VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 20 May To: info-hams@ucsd.edu ============================================================== | Automatic relayed from packet radio via | | N8EMR's Ham BBS, 614-895-2553 | ============================================================== SB DX @ WW $RTDX0520 VK2SG RTTY DX Notes, 20 May VK2SG RTTY DX Notes for week ending 20 May 1994 (BID RTDX0520) Our information this week came from I5FLN and the IK5PWJ Packet Cluster, N2DBI, W2JGR and the NJ0M node of the Twin-Cities DX Packet Cluster, and W5KSI. Thank you all for your assistance. Bandpass Friday 13 0314-14082 VR6ME Pactor 0529-14080 HC6CR 0530-14069 SU1CR Pactor 0539-14083 C91AI 1605-21087 9H1ET 1605-21087 ZP5FGS 1619-21086 J28JJ 1620-21086 D68ZJ 1718-21085 VP8CIL Saturday 14 0425-14085 AH6HH 0601-14078 VR6ME 1238-14084 VP5JM QSL W3HNK 1559-21083 ZP5XHM 1830-14084 SV2BFN 2002-14086 4N70AL 2141-14085 OM3LA 2147-14090 OK1KQJ 2158-14081 GW5NF 2240-14091 HC6CR Sunday 15 0038-14087 LA1K 0047-14087 ZP5XHM 0051-14087 CX7BF 0156- 7080 VP5JM 0203-14088 AL7NO 0317- 7088 YW1A 0325-14088 A35RK 0326-14085 V44KAI 0357-14084 AH6HH 0415-14087 C21/ZL1AMO 0438-14084 ZL3GQ 0439-14087 VK2RT 0651-14087 CN8NP 0651-14087 TK5MH 0735-14085 T92X QSL KA9WON 1148-14085 OJ0/OH2BBF 1454-21081 D68ZJ 1701-14087 HP1XVI 2051-14083 SV1ADG 2058-14082 UA6JBQ 2230-14085 V21PA 2254-14085 HK6DOS Monday 16 0250-14086 A35RK 1715-14083 UT5DX 2042-14089 KG4CB 2107-14090 HC6CR Tuesday 17 0204-14083 HC6CR QSL P.O.B. 614, Ambato, Ecuador 1134-14087 EA7BHX 1642-14082 VP5JM Wednesday 18 0015-14085 HC6CR 0055-14083 PZ1BS 0254-14086 A35RK 0313-14085 V44KAI 0551-14084 C91AI 1442-14088 HI8BG 1532-14089 SV1ADG 1709-14087 SV/WY3V 1715-14083 LY2HT 1731-14089 HC6CR Thursday 19 0135-14087 UN5PR 0317-14083 A35RK 1518-14085 9H1JF 1600-14088 GI0AIQ 1605-14086 SV1ADG 1617-14083 FG5FI 1646-14080 HC6CR 1737-14087 7X2DS 1752-14084 IS0QDV 2028-14086 OY1CT 2051-14080 SV1QN Notes of Interest. Correction: QSL manager for TU4EI listed in last week's bulletin should be W3HCW, not W2HCW. Micronesia, V6. A group from OKDXA and the Pacific are planning for a one week operation, 9 June from Pohnpei. They will have four stations, mostly CW and RTTY on all bands including the WARC bands. QSL OKDXA, P.O. Box 88, Welston, OK 74881 USA. Bhutan, A5. Word is out that Jim Smith, VK9NS is waiting for the final word from the Ministry of Communications and would be off and running. He might also operate from Bangladesh and Nepal on the way to Bhutan. Please Jim, some RTTY activity. Crete, SV9. HA6NY plans to be active on RTTY 24-31 May. Mariana Island, KH0. JA6VTZ and JF6BCC plan to operate 10 thru 160, RTTY included. Callsigns respectively, AH0T and KH2GR/KH0 from 26-30 May. For next week's Bulletin, send your Bandpass and Notes of Interest to Jules, W2JGR @ W2TKU.#SRQ.FL.USA.NA Remember, DX Don't Sleep. GL DE Bob, WB2CJL @ W5KSI.#NOLA.LA.USA.NA /EX SP KT7H @ N7DUO.WA.USA.NA ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 19:31:49 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!w3eax.umd.edu!pschleck@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WANTED: Address to get info from tapr.org To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article , Scott Ehrlich wrote: >I am looking for the e-mail address contact to obtain info from >TAPR. > >I know the domain name is tapr.org, but to whom/what should I send the >message to? Will info@tapr.org or help@tapr.org work? > >Thanks. > >Scott > I recently added a couple of TAPR Elmers (with information about their "official" customer service and file server addresses) to the Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory, which was posted to this newsgroup (among others) on May 1st. If it's already expired at your site, finger pschleck@unomaha.edu or write to elmers-request@unomaha.edu to find out how to obtain the latest copy of the directory. 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU pschleck@unomaha.edu Maintainer, Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 20:04:25 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!emory!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!w3eax.umd.edu!pschleck@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WANTED: E-mail address for info from amsat.org To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article , Scott Ehrlich wrote: >I am looking for the contact address to obtain info from amsat.org. > >I've tried info@amsat.org and help@amsat.org, but both messages bounced. > >Thanks. > >Scott > As the maintainer of the "Elmers list" for this newsgroup (among others), I too would be interested in this information. I know several people who have AMSAT E-mail addresses, one or two being on the Elmers list (such as Bob Carpenter, W3OTC), but don't have any official customer service contacts for membership information, files, or mailing lists. If you wish to submit information about AMSAT, or find out more about the Elmers list and how to obtain a current copy of it, please finger pschleck@unomaha.edu or send E-mail to elmers-request@unomaha.edu. On a related subject, something that the moderator of rec.radio.info (Mark Salyzyn, VE6MGS) and I are very interested in is who is relaying the AMSAT-related bulletins like the Orbital Elements and Space News to the Info-Hams@ucsd.edu gateway. What is currently happening is that their respective maintainers are submitting them to Mark who cross-posts them to rec.radio.amateur.space and rec.radio.info (which causes them to be relayed to the Ham-Space and Radio-Info mailing lists), then they appear on Info-Hams (rec.radio.amateur.misc). E-mail to the maintainers reveals that they are not the ones doing the duplicate posting, a person or persons unknown within AMSAT is. It's certainly not our place to dictate how bulletins should be posted, or even who should post them, but if they are going to posted to several newsgroups, a simultaneous cross-post is most desirable (propagating a single article within news that will appear in most modern newsreaders only once, although it will be duplicated on the mailing lists). Also, if there will be multiple submitters to news of bulletins with packet-radio BID's, they should use the Message-ID encapsulation convention like the following: SB BID$NNN @ DISTRIBUTION becomes: Message-ID: In this way any one news site will have only one copy of the bulletin, regardless of how many submitters post it. Mark is perfectly willing to help anyone manage the complexity in properly formatting their bulletins. This could be as simple as mailing it to a different E-mail address (rec-radio-info@ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca instead of Info-Hams@ucsd.edu). While rec.radio.amateur.space (and Ham-Space) is really the most appropriate target for these bulletins (based on their charters agreed to by a vote of the readership at the last newsgroup reorganization), in the interest of cooperation, we would be amenable to simultaneously cross-posting the AMSAT-related bulletins to rec.radio.info, r.r.a.space, *and* r.r.a.misc (as it's still only one article being propagated) if there is still a strong desire to relay these bulletins to their "traditional" mailing list (we realize that some of the conventions and procedures for relaying radio bulletins predate the rec.radio.info newsgroup and not everyone is going to adopt our recommended techniques overnight, if at all). Mark and I would very much like to hear from individuals within AMSAT who are interested in using the net to publicize their organization and distribute their bulletins in the most invisible and bandwidth-efficient ways possible. An excellent forum for discussing some of these issues with Mark, myself, and about a dozen other experienced radio information maintainers on the Internet is the rec.radio.amateur Working Group mailing list (rra-wg). To subscribe, send E-mail to rra-wg-request@amdahl.com. 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU pschleck@unomaha.edu Maintainer, Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory ------------------------------ Date: 22 May 1994 20:23:31 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!umd5.umd.edu!w3eax.umd.edu!pschleck@network.ucsd.edu Subject: WANTED: E-mail address for info from amsat.org To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2rods9$2v2@hecate.umd.edu>, Paul W Schleck KD3FU wrote: [...] > >Mark and I would very much like to hear from individuals within AMSAT >who are interested in using the net to publicize their organization and >distribute their bulletins in the most invisible and bandwidth-efficient ^^ >ways possible. An excellent forum for discussing some of these issues [...] Whoops! Freudian slip... Of course I meant to say "most *visible*" :-) 73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU pschleck@unomaha.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 01:22:42 GMT From: world!drt@uunet.uu.net To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References <1994May20.193708.11982@ccd.harris.com>, <1994May22.145549.26254@cs.brown.edu>, <2ro9qq$4d7@spool.cs.wisc.edu>³º Subject : Re: Ham Radio few problems! Jason Hanson (jhanson@yar.cs.wisc.edu) wrote: : Michael P. Deignan wrote: : >A few weeks ago, a new no-code tech came on to the largest 2 meter : >repeater in the state, and started talking about how much he loved ham : >radio, and now he has his 2 meter radio next to his CB in the truck. He : >asked if anyone on the channel wanted a smokey report. : While perhaps his nomenclature and speech was poor (akin to CB), is this : anything truly wrong with letting fellow hams know of an impending radar trap? : I have done this (though usually on the Interstate in a QSO with someone I knew : was behind me) and don't see a thing wrong with it. Well, how about "obstruction of justice," a full-fledged crime? -drt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |David R. Tucker KG2S 8P9CL drt@world.std.com| ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #558 ******************************